Inventories can be managed – people should be led

Being a leader is different from being a manager and Jack Welch is right when he says that leaders are born and then develop by learning. IQ and energy we are born with. What we call charm and charisma is actually energy. And having that kind of energy is a crucial aspect of a natural leader that people follow without even realizing it.  So much so that natural leaders, unlike managers, don’t even need to ask people to do something, merely suggest and people follow.

Would Mandela still be as popular if he wasnt a natural leader?

Would Mandela have achieved what he did if he was just an educated, but not natural, leader?

Charming people actually make others feel satisfied with themselves. Most women fell in love with JFK and the majority of men did anything they could to make him happy. And that’s exactly what happens with natural leaders.

How do you change your energy?

Leadership also comes from education and training but the “cherry on the ice cream” that, for instance, JFK had can not be learnt. Another word for it is star quality, but you are either born with that kind of energy or you are not. And without it leadership is much more difficult.

A good example is the difference between Nelson Mandela and his successor Thabo Mbeki. The latter is one of the most intelligent people I have ever met, if not the most intelligent. But Nelson Mandela, like, for instance, Bill Clinton and JFK, fills up the room. Mbeki does not and hence failed to make the amazing connection with the South African people, and people around the world for that matter, that Mandela has.

Leaders make others feel good about themselves

Like all effective leaders, Mandela makes others feel good about themselves as well as the work they are doing. He has a vision of what he wants to achieve and can communicate it to others in ways that makes them want to be part of it.

Passion is crucial to leadership

Back in school we all had teachers that were natural leaders and passionate about what they were doing. Even without being told what to do, we loved what we were doing, learnt a lot from them and got high grades. Don’t need to mention all the terrible teachers we had that made us fall asleep and loose interest in the subject. And they were all educated and trained to teach.

Emotional intelligence makes a difference

In many companies today people who are not born leaders are in charge and it is definitely having a negative impact on their results. Managers who are also leaders use their influence to coach and mentor others to make the most of their potential. They are more likely to be strategic and integrated planners, thus spending less time putting out fires and more time streamlining and planning ahead. In general, employees are more attracted to managers with excellent leadership skills as they are more emotionally intelligent.

Why are natural leaders not better utilized?

Personally I can not understand why educated natural leaders are not better utilized in business since they would really have a tremendously positive impact on results. In some companies top management unfortunately feels threatened by natural leaders who are hence not allowed to lead. Can’t help wondering what shareholders would have to say about that if they knew? Another reason is that the first step in evaluating candidates usually is looking at their CV/resume. And there is no way of judging if a person is a natural leader or not just by looking at their CV. So by the time top management meets the candidates for a C-level position there often isn’t a natural leader amongst them.

Imagine the massive positive impact more educated leaders to whom leadership comes natural would have on companies world-wide. Results would increase significantly while at the same time making employees happier to work.

Let’s hope we will see more educated people with leadership qualities in key positions. Why this amazing resource is overlooked I can not comprehend. It is a fantastic asset that should be utilized to its full potential. Eisenhower put it very well when he said “you do not lead by hitting people over the head – that’s assault, not leadership”. And in today’s world we really should be civilized enough to move beyond that.

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72 Responses to “Inventories can be managed – people should be led”

  1. Graham Says:

    There are six billion of us. The infrastructure is huge, beyond comprehension for most. Global 'performance' does not depend on the few, but on the vast many each of whom lead just 10 people or some such figure. At issue is what exactly does the average person do to lead a team to get superior results. And we need some several hundred million of them.

    Leadership today is not about the few, but about the vast many, with the few only remotely linked to the reality of the many, with limited impact. The world still thinks in terms of the Caesar's, but their days are gone and will never return.

  2. catarinaalexon Says:

    Brian, all you get when you click on your site is "page not found" and then it's a bit difficut to find whatever post it is you are advertising here.

    Graham, that's true, but the issue here is the optimal leader. Besides you do have quite a few natural leaders in all walks of life. All you need to do is go to a school and see which pupils the rest of the kids flock around. You can deduct some of them who are bullies but you will fairly soon find some natural leaders.

  3. JanG Says:

    I agree on your 'school example' in your reply to Graham. I do remember my schoolday ;-)
    However how can an HR dept nowadays recognise the natural leaders in their company, how can a recruiter identify a natural leader during the recruitement process?
    It is similar to your previous blog on Europe, I see it's all about having the right (good) leaders in place, not the so called ideologies (as they say themeselves) 'leading' the political parties.

  4. admin Says:

    Jan, most recruiters and HR people are not able to identify natural leaders, in fact many times natural leaders are stopped because they are seen as a threat to the exisiting management. Also the corporate culture currently is to use managers because it makes top managment feel more secure because of the control element.

  5. adamsoney Says:

    as i said there , you are hudred percent right.
    now adays there is so many people in wrong places that they do not belong at all! but the luck or corruption helped them to be there.
    and the suffers are the people whom under their management,wrong decisions, plans what ever form leaders stuff.
    i think only few people can be called leaders according to the factors you have mentioned.
    we are in era that every is is up side down!?so many wrong images need to be modified , but who will?
    i do have hope may be the future is brighter …..

  6. S. Zafar Iqbal Says:

    Natural leaders are fine. We need them to make progress. No one can deny that.

    As I see it, however, we need more than natural leaders to move ahead in the right direction. A sound , generally agreed upon, common vision and a system that facilitates its implementation is also vital for achieving desired results.

    The history is full of great natural leaders who charmed, enchanted , and led their followers, whether in organizations or nations, to ultimate misery and destruction.

    To sum up: I believe, all cannot be left to the charming leaders, but equally important are other factors, such as , organizational or social values, a common national or organizational vision , and an infrastructure to support the efforts to achieve the desired objectives.


  7. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad we agree Adam.

  8. catarinaalexon Says:

    Agree with you Bryan.

  9. catarinaalexon Says:


    But don't forget that far from all natural leaders are the Hitlers of this world.

    Jack Welch is right when he says that leaders and born and then develop by learning. What can be better than a trained natural leader? Someone who is just trained will never be as good as a trained natural leader.

  10. Chiro Says:

    - thanks Catrina for that insightful article. What would you highlight as the top 5 traits that a Natural business leader should posses / or invest in?

  11. catarinaalexon Says:

    CHiro you either have the energy that a natural leader, like Nelson Mandela, has or you don't. Nobody can teach you "energy". And if that energy isn't there you are just not a natural leader. Sorry.

    What you can learn are different leadership theories/education. But without the energy of a natural leader you will just be a leader i.e. you will never have the impact that a natural leader has.

  12. J Harris Says:


    Very interesting and insightful comment and analysis. You raise a very valid hypothesis.

    "Basically in many companies today people who are not born leaders are in charge and it is definitely having a negative impact on their results……. In some companies top management unfortunately feels threatened by natural leaders who are hence not allowed to lead." There could well be much truth in this. It would be more powerful insight with some academic research evidence to back it up.

    I am not sure that the people in charge of many of the world's top organisations would agree with that. To take a current example how would Tony Hayward's leadership skills match up? What about those lords of leadership in the banking community? One of the top US business school professors was proud of having advised RBS's Chief Executive on his merger and acquistition strategy. It was RBS's merger with ABN AMRO, promoted by its Chief Executive, which in no small part led to its near demise and retreat to public ownership. Presumably these and other leaders went and go through rigorous assessment and interview processes. Or perhaps you are challenging the validity of these and the headhunters that usually front them up? Choosing appropriate case studies to examine the evidence is problematic enough.

    The analysis you provide poses another question, which is even more tricky to answer. How does a born leader successfully manage an organisation, country, etc in the thin gap between chaos or anarchy and control freakery?

    The Corporate Governance campaigns around the globe have sought to keep management safe from not naturally born leaders. Mike Smith from Manchester University business school has proved that job interviewers choose candidates like themselves. Must we just accept that all leaders are fundamentally flawed?

  13. J Harris Says:

    PS. I really like the Eisenhower quote.

  14. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad you like it "J".

    Most people don't agree with what I wrote for the simple reasons like they are not born leaders, make a living training people to become leaders and so forth. The likelyhood of academic research into this issue ever happening is hence remote.

    J, it is not enough to be just a born leader, you have to be educated and trained as well. However when a skilled, intelligent, educated and smart leader is also a born leader the latter is what makes him/her more successful than other leaders.

    There was an interesting discussion on Linkedin about a year ago or so. It was started by one of the directors of Tiffanys. He was asking if talent was overlooked in today's corporate world. The consensus was, mainly based on headhunters saying so, that most people in recruitment/ HR/ headhunting are not capable to judge if a person is talented. Kindly note that it's not my conclusion and, as far as I know, it is not backed by academic research.

  15. catarinaalexon Says:

    So do I – but unfortunately a lot of people are "hit in the head" by managers not leaders.

  16. Erik Reyerson Says:

    Hi Catarina,

    It's interesting watching the managers I have in place thru our organization in Asia and how vendors react to them when we walk in the room. The previous person in charge of coaching the Asian team was quick to point out how our "managers" were well respected based on the reactions of the vendors.

    One of the first things we identified in this multi-curtural setting (after the previous Sr. manager was replaced) was the "respect" described by the previous manager was anything BUT respect, but actually "fear". The Eishenhower quote brings the experience full circle. I have yet to find an effective manager that leads by "fear".

    There is something completely unacademic about the term, "fired up" but it is a trait that clearly exisits amongst our great managers and it's not "teachable". They either have it, or they don't.

  17. Jordi Cabré Says:

    Just Excellent. Nothing else to add about leadership.

  18. Jay Yurkiewicz Says:


    Due to the fact that this question does not have an obvious and clear answer, let me express my own personal bias as it relates to your question. – I happen to be in the camp of believers that "EQ" cannot be learned/taught (due to lack of a clear definition of "EQ", I'll refer to it as a combo of interpersonal skills, charisma, ability to emphatize with others, ability to pick up on non-verbal cues such as body language, etc) . I believe EQ can be enhanced. I happen to agree with the proposition that EQ is more of "a psychological trait" rather than a "learned behavior/skill." On a very basic level: can anyone name an institution that can teach a boring person to become a successful stand-up comedian? Hitler, Stalin….two "monsters" who succeeded to persuade millions of high IQ people to follow their insane and inhuman goals…These 2 monsters were not dumb, but they must have been some of the most charismatic leaders the world has ever seen. I'd venture a guess that EQ rather IQ played the more important role. They lacked formal education, their IQ must have been quite high, but they were not Einsteins…. Hugo Chavez…I never met this brilliant leader of Venezuela, but I'll venture a guess that his "success" (ie, ability to become a leader of entire nation) has more to do with his DNA than with his intellectual abilities. Of course, I may be wrong. If somebody can sell "nonsense" to high IQ individuals, then the entire debate become rather complex (and quite entertaining). For some reason, I am rather skeptical of the IQ brilliance of President Chavez..but, it's possible he's simply a great actor who mastered the skill of acting like an "idiot" in order to persuade bright people to follow his "idiotic" theories. My logic is rather fuzzy, but such an "act" would require an incredibly high level of EQ :-) During my brief academic career I was surprised to learn that 60-70 yrs of leadership/business research failed to produce a definition of "entrepreneurship." To this day, Business School profs/researchers cannot agree on the definition of the word. To this day, the argument about the determinants of entrepreneurial success has not been settled. Entrepreneurs are born, not made vs Entrepreneurship can be taught/learned to anybody who wants to learn.. Again, overwhelming amount of reliable data proves an absolute lack of statistically valid relationship between entrepreneurial success and "education". I know several entrepreneurs with Ph.D. degrees. I also "know" thousands who never graduated from college. Leadership seems to be confused with "management." My bias is a follows: – you can teach a person with high EQ (and average IQ) how to become an effective/successful manager. – you cannot teach a person with a high IQ and average EQ how to become a successful leader. To reiterate, I am expressing my own bias. In general, leaders don't need IQ of 145…Leaders tend to succeed thanks to their ability to create a strong "emotional" bond/influence over their followers (Hitler was a screaming maniac…Stalin was a "cool" and "calm" uncle Joe…but, they both became God-like figures). Managers: some of the best managers I know seem to be nearly "mentally-challenged" (in EQ terms) in my own, extremely biased opinion. Yet, they do an excellent job "managing." As usual, I'll end my answer with the following statement: I am simply expressing my opinion & I may be completely wrong :-)… Jay

  19. GuyW Says:

    This is a complex subject, and while I agree that there are many great natural leaders, there is also a considerable body of opinion that believes leadership skills CAN be taught. Of course, this does not imply that everyone/anyone can become a great (or even effective) leader as there are a number of basic attributes that leaders – whether born or made – need.

    For leaders to be effective, they need to inspire the people they are leading: paint the picture of a goal that all can aspire to reach, and then to keep the proverbial ship on course to reach that goal, steering it around the inevitable obstacles that emerge. Leadership is big-picture stuff, while management is detail and operationally focused.

    Of course, as some of your previous commentators have pointed out, there is always the danger that charistmatic natural leaders can "turn bad" – as many of history's despots have shown, but that is the subject for another, longer post :-)

  20. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad we agree Jordi.

  21. catarinaalexon Says:

    Yes Guy you can learn leadership but it's hard, if not impossible, to learn charm and change your energy. Natural leaders that are not educated is definitely not a good idea. But unfortunately many times trained and educated leaders to whom leadership comes naturally are overlooked. This since they are unfortunately seen as a threat.

    The fact that some natural leaders have turned bad shouldn't stop good natural leaders from being able to carry out what they are good at. :)

  22. catarinaalexon Says:

    Jay emotional intelligence is a vital part of a good leader. And you can only learn that to a certain degree.

    By the way, Stalin's success was basically based on terror not charm. He had about 25 million people assasinated. On top of that comes people who died in wars, through famine and so forth. The emotional bond he had with his followers was pure fear. People alive today who were close to him still do not talk about him because of that fear. Anyone around him that could be a threat got a bullet in the head.

  23. GuyW Says:

    Agree that leaders should absolutely be able to carry out what they're good at – was simply pointing out that there can be a downside to super-charisma, too.

    Learning charm and changing energy levels is, as you say, difficult, which is why not evyerone can acquire leadership skills, but many can…

    Weak managers (as opposed to real leaders) definitely see threat in people that could overtake/replace them and try to supress these – that's why leaders need to be alert to their management teams.

  24. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad we agree. Seriously an educated and trained leader to whom leadership comes naturally is optimal. Who can argue with that?

  25. keyuri joshi Says:

    While charm and charisma may be natural for leaders, they cannot be true leaders without substance. The former is often used to manipualate less educated masses who desire a person who can "do" and not just "be.

  26. Jeannette Paladino Says:

    A former CEO of the bank where I worked used to ask his new direct reports, "What is the most important trait of a leader?" Almost no one got it right. We never thought of "compassion." That was his priority.

  27. catarinaalexon Says:

    Good point the CEO had – one that's frequently overlooked becasue it's a person's nature to be compassionate. Difficult to learn.

  28. catarinaalexon Says:

    Agree with you completely Keyuri. That's why I point out that educated leaders i.e. with substance to whom leadership comes naturally is optimal.

  29. jwhite1234 Says:

    Catrina – a special thanks to you and the wonderful comments on this insightful post.
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  30. catarinaalexon Says:

    My pleasure Julie.

  31. Catherine Lockey Says:

    Catarina – I believe there are many natural leaders who remain unknown to the general populace. Money seems to matter. For example, most American presidents have had a life of entitlement. Some people receive "leadership" awards because of generous donations they make. Yet, hiding behind the scenes the unacknowledged leaders still lead – perhaps working in an urban school system or caring for the very poor.

  32. catarinaalexon Says:

    Agree with you completely Dennis. Have you ever noticed that only strong people dare to be kind?

  33. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad we agree Catherine.

  34. keepupweb Says:

    Excellent title for this post Catarina. I agree completely with you that often top management feels threatened by natural leaders. You mention Presidents Clinton and JFK as being great leaders. I’d like to suggest adding President Reagan to that list. He was passionate, charismatic and had a vision. He succeeded by surrounding himself with knowledgeable and intelligent people who he led rather than managed. I truly miss those days.

  35. Susan Oakes Says:

    I totally agree about emotional intelligence. I went to Uni with someone who was very bright. We both ended up a few years later at a company and unfortunately was hopeless as a leader as she did not have the emotional intelligence.

    I have also found in business, the leaders are the ones that are motivated by helping others succeed and are not afraid of learning from the ones they lead.

  36. catarinaalexon Says:

    Agree with you Susan.

  37. catarinaalexon Says:

    That's a good addition Sherryl.

  38. Julie Weishaar Says:

    Great post Catarina. Love the reference to emotional intelligence which is as important in our every day lives as in business and is not related to educational levels or standard IQ scores. I have found that oftentimes those with IQ scores nearing the genius level have emotional IQ's nearing the retardation level :) The best leaders are those who do have compassion, mentor those under them, are open to learning from others no matter where they fall on an organizational chart, and are more interested in the overall goals of an organization than their status. Thanks for sharing your awesome insights.

  39. Jay Yurkiewicz Says:

    Catarina, you're absolutely right about Stalin & rule via terror. However, the fascinating aspect of Stalin's rule: even during the days of glasnost (& even today), it's simple incredulous the extent to which "common" Russian people WORSHIP Stalin.
    What's even more amazing: many of the people who worship Stalin LOST THEIR MOTHERS, FATHERS, FRIENDS, ETC due to Stalin's butchery (bullet in the back of the head, gulag, starvation of millions of citizens, mass executions of Soviet soldiers returning from Nazi imprisonment camps, etc) – IT IS INCREDULOUS, BUT AN OVERWHELMING NUMBER OF THESE PEOPLE BELIEVE THAT THEIR RELATIVES/FRIENDS DID DESERVE TO DIE!!!! Some studies attributed it to "cognitive dissonance" or other fancy academic concepts — you'll rarely find a German who will say: "my father/mother/uncle deserved to be slaughtered by Hitler's henchman"….Could be a cultural difference between Russians & other countries? Just a speculation….and, I know this is just a "side-line" comment to the question at hand, ie, charisma etc in the work environment…but, perhaps "rule by fear" this could be an interesting concept to explore (both in managerial field and places like N. Korea, Iran, etc)….anyway :-)

  40. Jay Yurkiewicz Says:

    My kids attend a exclusive private school in the USA. The school offers a "Leadership Program" to "selected" kids (starting in 4th grade). Amazingly, a kid doesn't get invited unless parents make substantial financial contributions to the school (on top of very hefty tuition). So, Catherine Lockey's comments are VERY, VERY accurate.

  41. Jay Yurkiewicz Says:

    Haha…NOBODY can argue with this "dream scenario" :-)…. It especially helps if you're also good looking, too :-)…needless to say, you can detect a bit of humor in my response — but, yes: it would be an ideal world!

  42. catarinaalexon Says:

    Seems we agree completely Julie.

  43. catarinaalexon Says:

    True Jay, but fear is not part of the qualities leadership entails. The one who makes people fear him get power. And power and leadership are two different issues.

  44. Kate F. Eaton Says:

    Catarina, always good to read your blog, and this post especially resonates. I believe the quality that, ironically, predicts great leadership is humility. By that I mean "the ability to remove my need to be recognized." In our "look at me, I'm on reality television foolishly influencing the minds of millions" culture, it's hard to remember that great leaders are quietly, passionately providing positive impact. Looking forward to your future posts.

  45. catarinaalexon Says:

    Thank you Kate.

  46. Rob Berman Says:

    I agree that leaders and managers are not the same thing. A person can be both. Perhaps, some of the people with the charisma and natural leadership ability are seeking other roles rather than at the high levels of business. As to Mbecki, he needs a good PR firm. He always is portrayed as being a day late and a dollar short as the old saying goes. Of course, comparisons to Mandela don't help his situation.


  47. catarinaalexon Says:

    Correct Rob, many natural leaders are not in business. But they are still leaders. Mbeki's problem was/is that he is so bright people don't understand what he is talking about. Very few people are as bright as he is. But had he been a natural leader that would not have been such a huge problem.

  48. Leora Says:

    You bring up some great points on leadership. Since you mention Clinton, I just want to add that people sometimes get distracted by the charm and don't see the problems of the leaders.

    Emotional intelligence is certainly important in leadership.
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  49. yearwoodcom Says:

    I think you're right about fear being the motivating factor behind why natural leaders are not hired or promoted. I've also seen the flip side, where they are hired and then kept in place to support a weak leader. Its a solution that never has a good ending.

  50. catarinaalexon Says:

    Yes Leora, maybe. Don't know him personally so I'm not able to judge him. Mbeki I know and JFK was a great friend of my godmother's:-)

  51. findingourwaynow Says:

    I can't believe I missed this post. I love this post. Natural leaders are not always recognized when they're younger. It takes an astute observer to see them when they manifest their God given gifts. Aside for that, having a talent or learning how to manage with emotional intelligence instead of with reports and rules can make for a great department or company. The good news is there is a much larger emphasis placed on that skill set these day. :-)
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  52. keepupweb Says:

    Great post Catarina and I absolutely love the title. There is no substitution for a good leader. I tend to believe the assumption that true leaders are born not made.
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  53. becc03 Says:

    I really enjoyed this post Catarina. You are so right, natural leaders have a great impact and should not be overlooked. I have seen the results first hand and it is quite amazing.
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  54. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad you agree with me, Susan.

  55. catarinaalexon Says:

    Yes it's sad that that's the case, isn't it Debra.

  56. catarinaalexon Says:

    Not surprised you agree with me Sherryl. Can't help wondering how long it will take before someone who trains leaders disagrees with me:-)

  57. catarinaalexon Says:

    Yes natural leaders have a huge impact on people and should be utilised for good, Rebecca.

  58. Geek Girl Says:

    I just read a quote that said something like 'leadership is getting people to do what you want them to do because they want to do it for you'.
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  59. Chris MacGregor Says:

    Absolutely right – Management is about stuff and numbers, Leadership is about empowering people to reach their full potential.

  60. catarinaalexon Says:

    Good quote Cheryl. That's what happened to JFK all the time. He didn't even have to ask.

  61. catarinaalexon Says:

    Yes Chris. Pity we have so many mangers and so few leaders in the world:-)

  62. Aleshia Clarke Says:

    Hi Catarina,
    This is a very insightful article. I truly believe my country has a crisis of leadership. This is why so many businesses have failed. Too many of our leaders are lazy, and want to enjoy being privileged while others do the work. I feel sorry for managers who try to do both and fail, because it is too much responsibility. They are unable to do a good job at either role.

    Thanks ~ Aleshia

  63. JeriWB Says:

    Charm certainly is an illusive trait, and a desirable one when couple with other skills. However, I've encountered a fair share of leaders who rely too much on charisma and not enough on actual leadership skills.
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  64. catarinaalexon Says:

    Nothing and nobody is perfect, Jeri:-)

  65. catarinaalexon Says:

    Interesting point, Aleshia. What you describe is sometimes the case. But are those people really leaders? Many of them are actually managers.

  66. patweber Says:

    I think this IS changing. It almost has to with the way companies are continuing to downsize. At the heart of things, leaders who possess these traits you mention, really – CARE. I don't think that can be taught.
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  67. catarinaalexon Says:

    Exactly Pat, it can not be taught. Hope you are right that it is changing.

  68. catarinaalexon Says:

    Hope you are right. But the majority of leaders don't inherit their decision. Frequently management are afraid of people with leadership qualities and consequently don't promote them. In other words, people in senior positions are looking after their own interest. Doubt that will change:-)

  69. mkslagel Says:

    I agree. The dichotomy of a natural leader and a manager in the work place actually blows my mind. It seems like that would just be a constant struggle and conflict when in fact it could be solved so easily by placing the natural leader as an over seer but would the natural leader be so much of a leader if those who followed him were put underneath him and suddenly not on his level of authority?
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  70. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad you agree. Someone needs to be in charge. Either a manager or a leader. What's the best option?:-)

  71. mirza azhar beg Says:

    This article about leadership qualities is quite interested.This is a debatable subject.
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  72. catarinaalexon Says:

    Glad you found it interesting, Mirza.

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